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Hi everyone,

I just read the announce of the crowdfunding here in the news...

So, a crowdfunding could be a nice option for nearly everything, but how to read their project ?

135CAD for an ATR72-600 on XP is already a thing by itself but is there any info about the "level"of the sim ? Sure, it's looks really nice but system wise ?

It smells like they don't want to do it and since our lovely XP is a living platform for the best or the worse, this addon could be the DC6 brother: no update, nearly no support for ages.

What are your thoughts ?

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33 minutes ago, Christophe said:

Damn... "decent level of systems" and "default FMS" for that price ? Is it a joke ?

The community backlash through our Facebook page, their Facebook page and in many other areas, has been mostly satire, to say the least.

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Indeed, I read few comments... well.

In the same time, MilViz is not obliged to release an aircraft on the XP market if they don't want to... weird situation.

"0 day(s) since the latest flight sim drama", I guess 🙂

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On 3/24/2019 at 9:37 PM, Rcflyer86 said:

If the outrage continues I feel they will pull the Kickstarter and abandon any plans for XP whatsoever.

Good riddance, they are better served elsewhere. Maybe if they lower the price to say, 60 dollars, dismantle the crowdfunding, and maybe even apologize people will be less angry. 

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Everyone needs to understand MilViz' point of view.

MilViz makes extremely high-quality addons for P3D (an now XP). They are always at the leading edge with system depth and overall quality. As of now, I can count on 1 hand the number of addons in XP with that level of quality. Milviz is a bit different from most P3D devs and almost all XPlane devs whereas they hire full-time employees on salary to produce their products which take roughly 2 - 3 years to complete based on the global average. That years-worth of salary for around 4 developers (quoting their podcast) is not going to come from a tree or from a healthy investment. That money was opted to come from the Kickstarter. Remember that these devs don't make a whole lot of money off these products. They really only make enough to cover their development costs plus less as profit.

Because of their reputation with spot-on systems, they opted to not use the Laminar FMS after it was brought up a few times in discussions.

PR was a mess - a complete mess. Backers should have been ensured that they would get the plane free of charge IF they pledged more than or equal to the price of the product. Instead of this, they told some people that it would be included with the pledge and others that it was not. PR should have been handled better, perhaps with a full statement attached to the Kickstarter link which would have provided the answer to most questions and prevent the trolls from blowing it up as they did.

Now because of the trolls (the vocal minority within the vocal minority), there are discussions about scrapping the XPlane project entirely.

While XPlane is a relatively new platform from the eyes of legacy developers from P3D/FSX and high-quality developers from XPlane, this is normal in the P3D/FSX realm in which MilViz is apart of.

 

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27 minutes ago, Shenherm said:

Everyone needs to understand MilViz' point of view.

MilViz makes extremely high-quality addons for P3D (an now XP). They are always at the leading edge with system depth and overall quality. As of now, I can count on 1 hand the number of addons in XP with that level of quality. Milviz is a bit different from most P3D devs and almost all XPlane devs whereas they hire full-time employees on salary to produce their products which take roughly 2 - 3 years to complete based on the global average. That years-worth of salary for around 4 developers (quoting their podcast) is not going to come from a tree or from a healthy investment. That money was opted to come from the Kickstarter. Remember that these devs don't make a whole lot of money off these products. They really only make enough to cover their development costs plus less as profit.

Because of their reputation with spot-on systems, they opted to not use the Laminar FMS after it was brought up a few times in discussions.

PR was a mess - a complete mess. Backers should have been ensured that they would get the plane free of charge IF they pledged more than or equal to the price of the product. Instead of this, they told some people that it would be included with the pledge and others that it was not. PR should have been handled better, perhaps with a full statement attached to the Kickstarter link which would have provided the answer to most questions and prevent the trolls from blowing it up as they did.

Now because of the trolls (the vocal minority within the vocal minority), there are discussions about scrapping the XPlane project entirely.

While XPlane is a relatively new platform from the eyes of legacy developers from P3D/FSX and high-quality developers from XPlane, this is normal in the P3D/FSX realm in which MilViz is apart of.

 

Yes the trolls are very concerning and unfortunate (Colin at MilViz actually has received death threats over ATR XP). But (sharp turn here) MilViz's business plan seems to be out of whack, which in all honesty has come to bite them in the butt. While they're aircraft are extremely high fidelity, the justification of the high price tag alongside the Kickstarter was a huge mistake and an absolute PR disaster. Ultimately it's up to MilViz to see whether XP is still worth it after this.

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4 minutes ago, KJO said:

Yes the trolls are very concerning and unfortunate (Colin at MilViz actually has received death threats over ATR XP). But (sharp turn here) MilViz's business plan seems to be out of whack, which in all honesty has come to bite them in the butt. While they're aircraft are extremely high fidelity, the justification of the high price tag alongside the Kickstarter was a huge mistake and an absolute PR disaster. Ultimately it's up to MilViz to see whether XP is still worth it after this.

Exactly.

I think it would have been a lot better if it was presented as a pre-order where if you back the plane, then you get the plane free at release.

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8 hours ago, KJO said:

Yes the trolls are very concerning and unfortunate (Colin at MilViz actually has received death threats over ATR XP). But (sharp turn here) MilViz's business plan seems to be out of whack, which in all honesty has come to bite them in the butt. While they're aircraft are extremely high fidelity, the justification of the high price tag alongside the Kickstarter was a huge mistake and an absolute PR disaster. Ultimately it's up to MilViz to see whether XP is still worth it after this.

I disagree to some extent on one point. And that is that the business strategy is all out of wack. I believe strongly that their approach is a sensible one if you see it from their point of view. They're not demanding something outrageous. You can disagree with the price point, but that would be justified if they deliver. It's the PR approach that has been completely off and which looks like it is completely without any form of strategy.

We do have a huge problem with the trolls in this community. It's like being in a kindergarden where the adults just throw the hands in the air and leave because it's just too much at times. MilViz should have known that. First thing you do when entering a market is to survey that market.

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The issue today with miviz is their blunt responses; its not even the pricetag that is driving people nuts - its the person handeling their PR. Today, PR is EVERYTHING. Just look at some devs out there like LES and HotStart, I am going to buy every single plane they make not because I have time to fly them all but because they are very friendly in their way and I would like to support that. The same with majestic on the p3d side. If they had just simply put a statement that if the X-plane ATR is going to see light of the day a kickstarted is needed. Those who pledge get a discount or the aircraft for free. As simple as that and this whole mess would be avoided.

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