FL380 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I have been working on a airport scenery for the past months which I was planning to sell for ~3-5$ and it also includes custom modeled and animated sam jetways. I only just now noticed that you need to get a expensive (if you are not a large company like orbx) license to include sam in a payware scener. I am wondering what exactly one would need a license for? Because I used the Datarefs for the free SAM plugin? Can you even charge for using a dataref? Or the .xml file which is basically a 5 lines .txt file? Since it's not an actual plugin included in the package but just datarefs and the generated .xml file I am really wondering what exactly am I paying a license for? Im not a lawyer or anything but it seems a bit spongy, I mean in theory a developer could just make the payware package without the .xml file and then release that .xml file as freeware to enable SAM at that payware airport.. Could you please elaborate why a license is necessary/what right I am acquireing with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Which airport are you talking about? And did you include a custom jetway or used the SAM library ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FL380 Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 A custom airport I made (not released yet). Fully custom modeled jetways that use the SAM Datarefs to be SAM compatible. Probably thats how I should have phrased my question: What exactly is the subject to the payware license? Is it the use of library objects or does it already start with using datarefs to make custom jetways animated and SAM compatible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 As soon as you sell your airport and use any SAM content (individual config, library objects etc.) you will need to have a license according to the terms. However usually the distributor requests a proof of purchase before you even get listed. Based on this you would have the following options: - sell your airport for a real price like 10-30$ with a proper SAM license - offer your airport for free and request donations We can't support a 5$ airport pricing. That's destroying the pricing strategy of the current market. Either make it a real payware or keep it free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FL380 Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 Where can i read the terms? It definitely makes sense for library objects or if it was a whole plugin included in the scenery package but doesn't Laminar themselves own datarefs? I find the legal correctness of the license a bit questionable at this point. This has nothing to do with supporting a certain pricing. You could support smaller scenery devs in general. Why does person X who puts his heart and time into designing his local airport and wants animated jetways have to pay the same amount as the big players like Aerosoft, Orbx,.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 As you are the first to say this I'm sure you will arrange with it. Nobody forces you to use our plugin https://stairportscenerieshelp.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/77000004352-terms-of-use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FL380 Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 Well I had a closer look and it actually turns out my suspicion that the license has no legal basis is not wrong. "If you want to use SAM in a payware scenery a commercial license per scenery is required." "The plugin is licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 which means it is free to use for all users and for all freeware sceneries. If you are a payware developer you can get a license for your project here." Such spongy phrasing is the only thing you can find. Why dont you elaborate on what exactly a license is required for? "to use the plugin in a payware scenery" I dont have any asset of the actual SAM plugin included in my scenery so what exactly do I need the a license for? Don't worry, the fact that nobody else ever mentioned it fortunately doesn't change the legal situation.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 BY-NC-ND 4.0 says that you are not allowed to use anything related to the plugin (no matter if it's an art asset, config file or whatever else) in any commercial way. That's it. But honestly what are you trying to achieve here? If you we're asking for a free license you should've given me your name and the airport we're talking about and you would have had received the confirmation to use it for free already. I hope you understand that with such an argumentation, however, we are not too interested in working together. Therefore, I will end this conversation at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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