Homer Jay Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) Hello, first thank you for the hard work you have put into this amazing plug-in. Today I tried to set up a scenery with your default jetways. As I was playing around one question appeared. So is there a way to set multiple door connection points (e.g.: LF1, LF2) to only one jetway object? I was at a position which only featured one jetway, but which is used for A330 and A320 for example. Because in real the A320 would be boarded via LF1, but the A330 would normally boarded via LF2 if there is only one jetway, this option would be cool to have. But I didn't find a way to set up 2 door locations, because you can select the jetway object only once and add only one door location at a time in the editor tool. Or did I miss this option? Best Regards Lukas Edited December 8, 2018 by Homer Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Hi Lukas, that does not work and won't work in the near future as that would require a very complex logic. If there are enough users willing to support the development of such a feature we will consider it again. Greets Marten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Jay Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 Hi Marten, thanks for the fast response. Then I'll have to hope, that many users will ask for that feature :-D Is it really a so complex logic? Because to me it looks like the plug-in will already check which jetways are in the vicinity of the aircraft, so you already have a check how many jetways are at a gate. Furthermore it looks like the plug in already checks which doors the aircraft has as it greys out the jetway options which are not available/ in range for the used AC Type. So to my mind the main logic should already be there to decide which to connection jetway to multiple doors. But that are just my two cents as a layman in programming.. Best regards Lukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 It is because it doesn't know a 'gate' with different Jetways but only checks if there is a Jetway with a corresponding door identifier in the vicinity. There is no 'exchange' or communications between Jetways. This kind of intelligence with all its facets would have to be coded. Furthermore it would make it more complex to developers to set up a Jetway an probably nobody wants that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anish Danish Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Marten@Stairport said: It is because it doesn't know a 'gate' with different Jetways but only checks if there is a Jetway with a corresponding door identifier in the vicinity. There is no 'exchange' or communications between Jetways. This kind of intelligence with all its facets would have to be coded. Furthermore it would make it more complex to developers to set up a Jetway an probably nobody wants that Well if this is a python plugin, maybe elif statements could work, as when I have played around with the authoring tool, when you change the jetway to LF2 from LF1, it switches. So maybe a if there is a LF2 then connect to that, or else connect to LF1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folko Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 That part would be easy. But allowing that would make jetways intersect with each other. For example, imagine two jetways on one gate that are configured like that. SAM would have to make sure that the jetways don't intersect when one connects to LF1 and the other one to LF2. By enforcing one door per jetway, the scenery author has control over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Jay Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Well of course If conditions will be difficult if there are two jetways at a gate and they will get in conflict with each other. But If you asign only one door connection to each jetway, even though there would be the possibility to select two door connection point for one jetway there won't be any problem, so you don't even have to check the amount of jetways at gate. You just have to put a notice to the manual somewhere, to set only one door point for multiple jetways. But if only have one jetway and it would be possible to set up two door connections, there won't be such problems interfering only in Auto mode. As I understand correctly the logic now is something like this: Flying the A320 for example leads plug in to look for jetways assigned to LF1, but finds LF1 and LF2, LF2 not possible for aircraft, so it greys out the jetway LF2 connect button or in auto mode will auto connect to LF1. (I don't see a problem here). Flying the A330, it will see LF1 and LF2 in vincity, shows up both connection buttons and user can choose which door to connect (no problem so far to my mind). Only in auto mode plug-in won't know to which door to connect. Edited December 9, 2018 by Homer Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Which still won't fix the problem that the LF1 jetway would probably hit the LF2 jetway if connecting to the second door (depending for the object setup). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carterra3 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) I'm confused, perhaps I have misread. It seems to me the question has little to do with multiple jetways and more to do with stands that have 1 jetway. Terminal D at KDFW is a good example of a lot of large gates that have 1 jetway. In this case that one jetway usually connects to LF2 of a large aircraft. If I park an A320 there though I should be able to connect the same single jetway to LF1 on the smaller aircraft. Am I understanding correctly that this is not possible at the moment? Edit: I have read more thoroughly and understand now. I would be very nice to have a configuration option for jetways so that stands with multiple jetways could force LF1 and a different option that would allow you to specify LF2 for large aircraft and LF1 for small. That way it's up to the developer to configure it properly, adds very little workload, and fixes my biggest gripe about Autogate. That said I'm just a user, not a developer. I just fly a lot of heavies out of single jetway stands. Edited December 9, 2018 by carterra3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Generally possible for sure. However it would be permanent per aircraft and not to choose for the user because that would require intensive recoding to the system. But let's think about another case that happens quite often in real life: Only one Jetway connects to a heavy aircraft although there are multiple Jetways available (cost reduction, construction work,...). That would still be not possible. EDIT: Of course you can connect the same Jetway at different parking spots as long as you are in the limits. However only to the corresponding door Identifier. Edited December 9, 2018 by Marten@Stairport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carterra3 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Sure, that's an understandably difficult and annoying problem, but I'd imagine that that use case would be much rarer than the large versus small aircraft at a single jetway stand. Not being able to choose the door and have it set by aircraft is also probably no problem, as long as the scenery dev could force it to a door if for some reason that were necessary. Definitely speaking out of ignorance, so don't put too much weight on my input. As an aside, I'm no developer but I have dropped some library jetways into some scenery. Outstanding work y'all. Love it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Jay Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 The more I think about the idea multiple door connection one jetway, the more I see the problems behind it and understand that it's not realizable for an upcoming update. By the way this never was my intention, just wanted to see whether its possible or not. But I see the plug-in's limitation on that on, but nevertheless it would be cool to find a way someday to realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anish Danish Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) @Marten@Stairport Would right side jetways be possible? I know there aren't any major airports that have this, but just in case. Edited December 11, 2018 by Anish Danish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten@Stairport Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 In theory yes but as you said due to the small number of airports (personally don't know any these days) we skipped that. Furthermore we would like to use this door for something else in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedgeHouse Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Totally random, but @carterra3 is your profile pic an MA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carterra3 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 @Evan Purcell It sure is. I'm a programmer. Started on the series 1. It's a bit dated now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedgeHouse Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Heh... me too... But I'm an EOS guy. I'd recognize those executor buttons / faders anywhere though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Jay Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Well I have another idea, what if you would add the possibility to choose the door option „any“. This will let the jetway connect to nearest door if aircraft has more then one door and in Plugin in Auto Mode or if Plugin is in manual mode, let the user decide to which door in Range of the jetway should be connected. Just an idea, don’t know how much coding that will result in, but it would solve problems if there are two jetways at a gate and working with LF1/LF2 identifiers only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Baruah Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Or what about a complete manual control. You have the base ready in terms of setting the initial position of the jetway. That way you don't have to set individual aircraft profiles and users can have an experience at operating jetways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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