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I recently updated KBOS by MisterX and discovered that older versions of SAM would cause the sim to crash at that airport. So I upgraded from 2.0.7 to 2.2.4 and now my sim crashes immediately on startup. If I remove SAM completely both the sim and the airport launch without issue. If I roll back my backup of 2.0.7 the sim launches properly but the airport causes the CTD.

I'd obviously prefer to have the updated SAM and KBOS.

In reviewing other topics, it looks like I should have logs or dumps in my SAM folder but I don't. So I'm perplexed, as there's nothing in my log.txt to indicate SAM but again if I remove SAM the sim is fine. SAM present, sim CTD.

Any ideas? Anything that I can provide that may help to diagnose the issue?

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2.2.3 - Crash to Desktop

2.2.2 - Crash to Desktop

2.2.1 - Crash to Desktop

2.2.0 - Crash to Desktop

2.1.9 - Crash to Desktop

2.1.8 - No crash with OpenGL, crash with Vulkan

So that's fun. I can get the sim to run in OpenGL but not Vulkan. If I remove SAM all together, everything is still normal (OpenGL and Vulkan)

 

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Well, I'm throwing in the towel on this one. I've never been more perplexed with a plugin, so I'm just going to roll without it.

I did a completely vanilla XP11 install (no add-ons, no custom scenery, no plug-ins) it's fine. But the moment I start adding things the inconsistent of CTD on sim load begins.

  • Installed SAM

I launched the sim 25 times with just SAM installed after a fresh XP11 install, no crash.

  • Installed Toliss A319

I launched the sim 25 times with the 319 + SAM and the sim crashed on launches: 4, 17, 22, and 23

  • Uninstalled Toliss A319

I launched the sim 25 times with all Toliss related files removed (and just SAM installed) and the sim crashed on launches 6, 18, and 20

  • Removed SAM, installed the Toliss A319

I launched the sim 25 times and zero crashes

I didn't even attempt any other 3rd party plugins or scenery yet.

Then I went with the default Baron (no payware aircraft, clean install of SIM) + SAM

  • No crash with 25 successful sim launches

What's crazy is, every single time the sim CTDs there's never an entry in the log or dump. I've now slowly re-added everything (payware aircraft, 850+ scenery folders) and no sim crashes after 100+ launches. But if I put SAM in there, it crashes to desktop on load every time. So there's clearly something happening, I'm obviously not convinced it's SAM but the sim only crashes with SAM present in the plugins folder.

So we'll have to file this under "unsolved mysteries"

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On 4/9/2021 at 12:10 PM, softreset said:

I recently updated KBOS by MisterX and discovered that older versions of SAM would cause the sim to crash at that airport. So I upgraded from 2.0.7 to 2.2.4 and now my sim crashes immediately on startup.

Any ideas? Anything that I can provide that may help to diagnose the issue?

I had similar issue and I found the reason.  I was using the option "manually copy SAM to Custom Scenery" folder,  so that xOrganizer will be able to detect and track SAM (instead of SAM coming up with a random folder name). 

The problem is when this option is enable, SAM updater will update the "plugin" folder but "Custom Scenery" folder will  have outdate version. The two being different version will collide and cause CTD. 

The fix I did was create a shortcut/symlink from plugin folder and place it in Custom Scenery instead of copying.  This fixed CTD issue. 

@Marten@Stairport if you need beta tester for new version of SAM, let me know. I can sign NDA, etc. 

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Sim - Thanks for replying. I was all excited to get home and try your recommendation because it was one thing I didn't think of but then I realized that after the most recent clean install I only had ever tried 2.2.4.

Curious if at the time of the upgrade that was the problem, as I also use xOrganizer. But that was many wipes ago.

Regrettably, even ensuring a completely clean slate (Plugins folder, Custom Scenery folder, SAM cache folder) I still consistently get the sim to crash with SAM content present. I remove it, no problems.

It's truly perplexing. The good news, I don't need it to enjoy the simulator. The bad news, I did enjoy the additional immersion this product brought to the sim.

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